Friday, November 6, 2009

Autism moms: Are you girly-girls?

I have a reason for asking this question. For several years, I posted on a community message board using a gender-neutral handle. I didn't do it on purpose...it was just the handle I chose. Most women who posted on that site did use handles that indicated their sex, with terms like "babe" or "girl" or "Mrs" or the occasional "Ms" in them. And for a long time--in fact, until I myself revealed my sex--people assumed that I was male. They never figured out based on what I wrote or the way I wrote that I was (still am!) female.


Lately, as readers here know, I've been pondering the women thing. Women who slam women. Women who call other women bullies. And in some of the comments on my "Bullying" post, a few commenters suggested that perhaps the women in question felt bullied because I didn't, as a woman myself, validate their emotion with appropriately womanly or maternal verve.

This and other similar experiences in the real world have led me down a path of thought, and I'd like others' input. As some of you likely know, Baron Cohen et al. have hypothesized that autism may be related to androgenizing in utero. That it's a kind of hyperandrogenized state of being, cold, hard Spock-like thinking and all. As many of us know, analytical thinking and cold hard rationality aren't only the province of men, but they are certainly considered to be largely masculine traits. I won't get into my observations of how men show emotion, too, or how level-headedness can be more contextual than a personality trait.

But I do have a few things to note. I have a low low voice. As in, I still am mistaken on the phone for being male. I've got those weird finger length ratios that indicate that I'm a tad...masculinized. I've got a muscularly analytical brain, and when someone cries around me, I don't think about giving hugs, I try to find them a tissue, even though I may sympathize strongly with their emotion.

This is not to give the impression that I'm a refrigerator mother--heaven forfend--I passionately love the people I love and have no problems expressing that. But I do not seem to view everything through a prism of emotion as many women around me do, and I think it may be one reason we often don't seem to understand one another well. In fact, it often leaves me feeling somewhat disconnected in groups of women. I don't see conflict as bullying or offensive. I view most situations of crisis or concern as problems requiring a solution, rather than an emotional response (although I'm fully capable of saving that up for later, post crisis). Also...I really really hate shopping.

So...any other autism mothers out there who are, um, a bit masculinized? Let me be clear: I'm all woman, people. Just perhaps a little...different. Are you?

13 comments:

Ivy said...

My first comment on your blog. Found you through Google Reader. And no, I am by no means a girly-girl. I don't wear dresses or makeup, I don't mince words, and I never know how to respond to crying people. And you could say I'm a "fixer" rather than a sympathizer, which is something women complain about their husbands doing.

Intriguing idea!

Emily said...

Hi, Ivy--Thanks for posting, and welcome.

There is at least one study I've read about that found that men tend to offer solutions to a problem, while women tend to offer emotional support, which turns out to be a sore point in marriages when the woman wants emotional support while the man is standing there offering his versions of a solution.

Ange said...

LOL! Sounds like me...I am my father's son! Just found out I have elevated testosterone along with other PCOS business, so maybe that's why. I am a logical, analytical thinker that fights conflicting wacko emotions on a daiy basis, low voice, I hate girl stuff like shopping or primping or chitchat, to the point I secretly feel really annoyed when I have to pretend to like it to appease other women. I also lost my mother at an early age, so maybe that's it too? My husband loves me just the way I am except he wishes I liked sports (my dad didn't like sports either, so I was exposed to old scifi rather than football!). I do cry more than any man I have ever met though...

Ange said...

And I am a fixer too... I have told my sister and few friends PLEASE just say "I need to vent" before I start the problem solving process!

goodfountain said...

I would say I'm not a girly girl in the sense that I'm not very sensitive to other people's feelings unless I am conscious that I need to be. I don't like shopping unless I have a purpose and money. Then I love it. I don't care about having my nails painted. A lot of the external stuff, it seems, seems to just pass right by me. Although I will not leave the house without makeup on.

But believe me -I ain't no analytical thinker. And I can be very emotional, although not irrational.

Then again, my ASD kid so far does not appear to be falling into the realms of loving science or being all analytical type. But she's only 5 so I'm not even going to continue that thought b/c I don't want to subconsciously pigeon-hole her as "creative" or "artsy" when that may not be her ultimate strength after all.

Net - I am not a girly-girl, I do have a low voice, but I'm not that man-like in my brain. If that makes any sense at all.

Karla McLaren said...

My family is full of neuro-untypicals (who wants to be typical?), and few of us are stereotypically gendered. This is an excellent book on the myths and realities of gender differences (Baron-Cohen gets his hat handed to him a bit):

http://newyorkkids.timeout.com/articles/features/76730/interview-with-lise-eliot-for-pink-brain-blue-brain

And another piece on the book:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/214834

Sue said...

I too am not a girly-girl. My husband is the creative one, much, much more emotional than I am. I am more at ease analyzing a problem than thinking about how I feel about a problem. Another way my husband and I are not stereotypical is that he talks (a lot) and I don't talk a lot.
I do wear make-up, hate to shop, hate watching sports unless my sons are playing. I also have a low voice, which works well on radio.
My 9yo son has aspergers and is a delightful child to be around. His humor is just one of the wonderful blessings he brings to our family.
Thank you so much for this blog!

Ali said...

Karla, he deserves all the hat-handing he can stomach. I find his theories bizzare and mildly sexist, and no one else seems to back him up. I wonder why we keep listening to him.

Emily said...

I agree about the hat. I think his ideas about in utero androgenicity are...wobbly at best, for several reasons, including the fact that it rather conflicts with another theory about in utero androgenicity and younger sons and homosexuality AND the fact that TH is clearly not sexually hyperandrogenized and does not manifest urological indicators of hyperandrogenicity--quite the opposite.

Rather than this being an in utero phenomenon, my vote is for epigenetic factors influencing certain aspects of development, rather than steroidal milieu.

Karla McLaren said...

I have to say, I'm not in the AS community very strongly, but out here in the shallow world, Baron-Cohen's ideas get a lot of play.

I like the Pink Brain, Blue Brains researcher because she's questioning the sacred cow. I've always found stereotypically-gendered people tedious!

I do wish there were a more reliable way for regular folks to get their information. The media do a piss-poor job of presenting nuanced information or research -- and I don't like to see the lives of people in the AS community made less happy because of it!

Ohohoho - my WV is undasper.

PBear said...

Um, yeah, no girly-girl here either. Wore my hair so short when I was younger even my husband's grandmother thought I was a boy. Drive trucks. Fly helicopters. Melt glass in a big flame. Wear jeans and sweatshirts whenever I can.

I like pretty things, just am not one of them :-) Like to make pretty things, but I'm never going to be one who men rush to help; more likely they'll throw me the keys to the pickup and have me go get help.

Have got the tell-tale fingers, the math and logic aptitude, and the more I read "Pretending to be Normal" the more I realize I'm farther out on the spectrum limb than I thought.... :-)

Lsquared said...

Very interesting. I just happened across this blog yesterday, and am reading a few older posts. I have 2 children who are probably on the spectrum--though the ADHD meds are working well enough that I'm not paying the money I'd need to to get a verdict on the Aspergers/Not Aspergers question. If they are, I probably am too ("no, daughter dearest, I can't tell you how to get along with your peers--I couldn't figure it out when I was your age, and I still don't know how". Peer relationships with adults are easier. Especially if they know going into it that you're a mathematician, and likely to be a bit weird that way).

When you look at it that way, it's not too surprising: children on the spectrum and mothers on the spectrum is the sort of thing that you might expect to be positively correlated.

No, I'm not very girly. I don't think I understand girly girls... of course, I guess don't understand most boys either. As my kids say, we're all geeks. (Oh, and my voice is kinda low, but only because, at age 12 or so, I decided I hated how my voice sounded on tape so much that I would train myself to speak half and octave lower than I naturally would).

Thanks for sharing your insights and experiences. Interesting and enlightenting!

Emily said...

Karla...I'm sure they do get a lot of play. It comes across as so nicely linear, I expect. More interestingly for everyone, though, sex and sex-related phenotypes just don't play out so clearly delineated like that. The media are unable to dig into nuance because it's all about hitting SEO and keepin' it simple, stupid. Unfortunately.

PBear...I've had short hair for about 39 of my 41 years. Very very short.

Lsquared...thanks for stopping by and commenting. I've run into a similar problem trying to explain to TH how to handle "mean girls." I never quite figured that out myself...so, what do I say?