TPGA has been running a series this last week of dialogues. The genesis of the series was a post by a parent whose child has special needs but not autism. This parent wrote a post that some in the autism community took issue with, and ultimately, the upshot was this series of posts, an exchange between this parent--who has no previous connection whatsoever to the autism community--and two autistic adults.
As the parent's turn to post approached, this parent tweeted in a way that I interpreted meant trepidation about how meaningful or useful his participation might be. As an editor at TPGA, I felt that I needed to give him a boost, to let him know that even though the people who take the time to comment may say things he finds painful, there are legions of silent readers he also reaches, that all open discussion should ultimately lead to an unraveling of conflict into greater understanding. As in all such cases of contention, there is a small group of people who comment and who are very vocal, and a much, much larger group of people who are the silent audience.
We then had the Twitter exchange you see posted here. My intent, my thinking, even my clearly written words in this exchange have been twisted and misinterpreted into something that my years of posting on this blog and elsewhere certainly belie. I invite anyone to click on any of the tags to the right, including autism, parenting, and TH, to really learn what my investment has been, what my attitude has been and continues to be about autism and autistic people, and who I am.
Below, I provide what my thought process was as I tweeted with this parent about posting his very first post in this dialogue, in a world that was new to him, to people who were new to him. My responses to him were not remotely informed by any of my experiences with the autistic people involved in either the dialogue or the comment but instead are based in my experiences with a completely different and far more virulent world: the antivaxers. I am not comparing autistic adults to antivaxers at all; instead, I was trying to draw on my experiences of coping with people who strongly disagreed with me and transfer my coping mechanisms to some of the personal pain he might be experiencing, as he had expressed. That was the experiential context in which I responded to this parent, and I list below what my entire thought process was throughout this exchange. For the record, I have not deleted one tweet from my Twitter feed and have no intention of doing so:
- The parent in question tweeted something that made it seem as though he weren't sure about how worthwhile this discussion might be, that instead, it might just be something that would blow up all over him.
- I tweeted to him to say the following: open discussion is worthwhile, even though no two people in such a discussion may ever fully understand one another. I further noted something to the effect that there are many, many people not commenting and he needs to remember the audience, not only the small vocal group actually posting comments. That applies to anything in the blogosphere and is something I often remind myself of in moments of internet contention.
- He indicated further trepidation, based on how people had responded so far.
- I tweeted some coping mechanisms I've learned in the course of many years of acrimonious discussions in the virtual world (never before related to contention with autistic adults), which include never forgetting what your real life is all about and never forget that in the end, that it's your closest relationships that matter the most, and that no matter what anyone says about you as a parent, only you can really know the reality of it. I have had people tell me I'm a horrible abusive parent because I had one of my children at home or because I vaccinate my children. From these experiences, I know that I have to remind myself that only I can truly know the reality, as these people do not live my life. I also noted something else I've learned from my vaccine activism: Sometimes, if it's just making your head explode, you've got to take a step away and let others haggle for awhile.
- One of the autistic adults who was participating in the dialogue on TPGA stepped in at a later point to ask where anyone had attacked anyone's parenting.
- I responded that no one had actually said that, but instead that someone--neither the parent in question nor I--had said "I don't know, it feels like anything a parent says is wrong," and that was an intangible that couldn't be cut-and-pasted as proof. Emotions always have to be taken at face value, as they consist of so much more than tangibles or words or evidence.
That's it. I began that exchange thinking, "Oh, as an editor at TPGA, I should encourage him to go for it, to get into it even though it may be painful, and here are some ways to deal with the pain that may ensue." Why? Because I believed until today that engaging in open dialogue, especially about potentially contentious issues, is the best way to eventually unravel the problem and reach a better understanding.
The end. That's really all I have to say. It's exactly what my thought processes were. I wasn't even thinking of autism or autistic people per se but of how to deal with what feels so personal in an impersonal place like the blogosphere.
Anyone is welcome to comment here on what I've said above, but I'll say right now that I will not be engaging in parsing tweet by tweet anything in that exchange, and I will not bother to counter someone else's interpretations of what I was thinking and feeling and intending when I entered into that exchange. As someone very wise said to me recently, that's the place to draw the line, and that's where I draw it.
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Edited to add: I have long been a proponent of open discussion. I have long had a belief in the ultimately beneficial outcomes of it. I am now much less sure about it, although that feeling may wane.
ETA, again: Please read this blog post, which contains a concise summary of the things people say and do that make autistic people feel unheard, ignored, and dismissed. It's just about the best precis I've seen, and I will *not* forget it. I'd suggest that anyone keep them in mind.
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Speaking honestly, I did see your tweet but didn't care so much about it in particular, I didn't even know that was you, I'm really new here, I did like you explaining things better here.
On twitter what other people talked about Autistics (self)advocates disturbed me, what I read on some blogs comments too, Autistics advocates publish things elsewhere too, but their arguments and opinions were the same on TPGA and on their posts in other places, what some rare parents said made me feel like talking was useless and they said something on TPGA and another different opinion elsewhere. :-/
This confuses me, I say what I mean to say, some times I think others are honest too, so opposite opinions from the same person confuse me.
Thank you.
Well done, Emily. My interpretation of that Twitter exchange was very close to what you have written. I can see how other people might have arrived at different interpretations -- the brevity of Twitter makes that almost inevitable. Especially with Twitter, asking people what they mean, rather than depending upon one's interpretations, is probably a good course of action in order to avoid misunderstanding.
But... doesn't it matter, given your position as a TPGA editor and the significance of this dialogue, what people thought and felt about your words? It is good to hear you explain your train of thought but... do you not have any sense that perhaps you made a mistake in judgement with that tweet stream?
And I just want to point out... I don't think you understood Ari's tweet in that stream: from what I can see and if I understand how the tweets work, you tweeted "hard not to get frustrated when ppl assail your parenting" and when Ari asked who was assailing your parenting, you shut him down swiftly by responding that no one had said that (when, I'm fairly sure you did say exactly that) and then told him you cannot copy/paste an emotion... which to me is a really condescending response particularly for an autistic person given all the stereotypes they live with around differences in emotional behaviours.
Anyhow... I feel a little like - rightly or wrongly - there was a balloon of hope floating around those dialogues and this tweet stream was the big ol' pin that let the air out. I would hate to see it left that way...
The way tweets work, they are conversations in which a click tells you exactly to what tweet someone is responding. I'm only clarifying the following for the sake of illustrating that; otherwise, as I noted, I will not be parsing the tweetstream: My response about "assailing" was to the person who posted that it "feels like" that. So, I referred to that in the response to Ari.
My response about copying and pasting emotion was a genuine response. It's true, and it's something I realized as I was responding to Ari. It can't be done. I'm not going to get into the accusation of condescension from me toward an autistic person except to say that it is baseless.
Finally, no. I do not feel like I made an error in judgment in encouraging the parent to go ahead and post and engage in the dialogue with the hope of doing some good by engaging in a tough discussion and with trying to give him some tools to get through what he obviously felt would be an painful experience for him. I am thoroughly aware that both of the tweet streams are public, and had I had concerns about it, I wouldn't have done it.
http://timetolisten.blogspot.com/2011/09/on-dialogues-accompanying-twittergate.html
^my comment, in post form because brevity is not my strong suit lately.
Summary: The conversation makes sense with the thought process context. Without, there are reasons a number of people were so upset. Explanations in the post.
I completely understand what you're saying, and I'm sorry that the feed was misleading in the way and the context you describe. Honestly, I'm so used to not thinking of autistic people as "other" that the perspective you describe didn't occur to me. I was thinking the entire time, in fact, of a completely different group of people, none of them, to my knowledge, autistic.
I happen to enjoy "Schyler's Monster" book and blog. I don't read enough of it but every so often check on how they are doing. He calls it as he sees it. Schyler is doing amazing b/c her parents want her to be part of the world and live with nor for her disability.
I read some of the TPGTA... sorry, it was nothing more than an ::eye-roll::. The comment I wanted to post to Ari I sent elsewhere in an email. I find the adult autistics to be rude to parents. Ari and the others claim they don't assault our parenting skills but their demands that they and they only know about autism is a direct assault on them. Our wants, our children's needs are secondary at best to their own POV.
I'm going back to my corner once more. I too have spent little time in "autism-land" of late. I'm tired of the whining and the wallowing of parents and adult autistics... My children are doing amazing. My children are not allowed to whine or wallow but to learn, do and become... I don't appologize for them in the RW, I won't do it online.
If Robert should read this... keep doing what you've been doing, keep posting what you wish to, not what others say you should.
Thanks for posting this, I appreciate it.
farmwifetwo, your comment is shockingly ignorant. "Whining and wallowing" - seriously? My son is doing amazing too, the difference between your kids and mine is that when they grow up and need adult supports and services, my family will have supported the self-advocacy work that GOT those services in place, while you will have sat on the sidelines, pointing fingers and hurling insults, until of course, you want to reap the rewards of their hard work. Then I'm sure you'll be first in line.
I've followed along on a whole lot of this from the outside (while I have a number of neurological based disorders I don't have autism and while I spend a lot of my work life with families where one or more members has and ASD diagnosis I don't have children of my own.)
I sincerely feel that much of this conversation (and especially the negative responses to Emily's tweets) has become a case of confirmation bias run amok. Many of the commenters seem to be looking for any evidence that confirms what they already think (for example that parents of autistic children don't care about/are dismissive of adult self-advocates or cherry picking examples of how "high-functioning" adults are so as to show how they are not like a parents more disabled child) and dismissing any evidence that doesn't.
I am a part of the queer community and some of this is quite reminiscent of the fractured nature of that community.
Caitlin, thank you for standing up to farmwifetwo here--I don't see very many people even trying.
farmwifetwo:
"Ari and the others claim they don't assault our parenting skills but their demands that they and they only know about autism is a direct assault on them. "
Ari is not claiming this. I do not know of anyone who is claiming that they and only they know about autism. Nowhere in the Dialogues letters or comments was anyone's parenting assailed, with the exception of a few of our OWN parents.
I was actually, truly STUNNED to hear some of the dismissiveness and snark from some parents towards autistic adults in the Dialogues, because the vast majority of interaction online I've done with parents has been truly wonderful. Even parents I don't much agree with. I don't try to tell people how to parent, but I'm pretty open with my own memories and experiences, and most people seem appreciative of the perspective and information even if it doesn't necessarily apply to their kids.
As for "whining and wallowing," well, I'm doing amazingly well, too, and largely it's because I'm figuring out how to recognize and own my feelings about what's actually happened to me.
@chavisory Thanks for posting. I think FW2 has said these things pretty frequently before over the years, which may be why people aren't responding to it. People have responded in the past without eliciting much change.
I do *not* mean this as a snarky or sassy question, but if you have the time, would you be able to list a couple of examples of the sort of snark and dismissiveness you're talking about?
Your last sentence? Spot on. Same here. And it took me a long time to get to that place.
@Amanda You're welcome. Thanks for reading it.
@Megan From what I can tell, advocacy communities have a similarity of experiences like that.
@K I left a comment over on your blog, and thank you for a few very clear lessons.
@Rachel Thank you, as always, for your through-and-through kindness.
@mybrainyourbrain I get that confusion. Sometimes, people really do change how they think, or on one day, they have a positive experience that colors what they say, while on another day, they have a negative experience that gives what they say a different tone. It could just be a bad day, and people vent. You can't really know, though, because all you see is what they're saying. Learned that one through all this, for sure.
@Caitlin Thanks for your comments.
Emily--yes, I will later tonight when I have time to go through those comments threads again. (And it really wasn't a whole lot, compared to what it could have been--it was just jarring compared to what I'd experienced from parents before.)
And thank you for all your responses to the twitter aftermath--they really are helpful and clarifying.
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